Posted October 26, 2015 In Carlsbad lately, and noticed a newer looking Seagrave pumper. It seems most new orders I see around California give Pierce the biggest market share-%. How does the Seagrave rigs compare? And why does Carlsbad operate the Seagraves where they do no seem to have much a presence in the Southwest? It seems to me these days the new orders also go to KME, maybe Smeal, Spartan, and less likely to E-One. E-One use to deliver many rigs to California, but they seem to have lost their presence in this area. Any input? Thank you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 27, 2015 (edited) It's all about price, Pierce, Seagrave, Sutphen etc... are the most experience KME, Rosenbauer, Smeal etc.. are $100,000's cheaper per rig Look what happen to all the departments that bought ALF's, rigs are only a few years old and there falling apart and you can't get parts. Pierce's will last 15 years to 20 years Rosebauer 's will last 5 to 10 years Some departments in AZ whose 2010 Rosenbauer's are already being replaced vs and some have Pierce's from early 1990's still in service , Phoenix is running many Saulsbury's from 1990's as front line rigs because many ALF's are OS) until they get there new Pierce Engines Edited October 27, 2015 by GilbertFIRE Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 28, 2015 I agree 'GilbertFIRE'. No doubt it seems Pierce has become the leader all the way around, though they are pricey and I can only guess the wait on build times is high. Didn't Phoenix at one time have a bunch of E-One's? Orange County in California has a bunch of E-Ones. San Miguel Fire Protection District ran a bunch of them. I think they still have a few in reserve status. So did E-One lose market share in the Southwest due to lack of a dealer, or any quality issues, because at one time they seemed to be fairly popular. I forgot to mention Ferrara Fire Apparatus which seems to build some good rigs and some agencies around San Diego have some. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 29, 2015 (edited) Re; E-One's, Glendale is still buying only E-one Engines & Trucks, but they have been buying there LT's from SVI Also Daisy Mountain is buying them too Phoenix right now is buying Pierce Engine's & Ladders and Rosenbauer Ladder Tenders & Utility's Dermers for Ambulances back in WNY, commissioner's buy E-One's because they liked going to Florida in the Winter vs Appleton or somewhere else with cold climate Edited October 29, 2015 by GilbertFIRE Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 2, 2015 Here's another interesting thing about buying other than Pierce: Escondido Fire recently took delivery of a Sutphen ladder truck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 3, 2015 (edited) Escondido also had a Sutphen tower before the current one. And a Pierce 85' Snorkel before that one. Also had a few Sutphen engines. Edited November 3, 2015 by Engine5161 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
