FireGuy

Did they give up their 201 Rights?

Incorrect. The LAFD has an assignment for "Major Aviation Incident" with far more than this allocation and no ARFF stays available, even on a standby incident.

Re-open? 270 after drill tower attrition barely keeps up with the number of firefighters retiring in the next 12 months.

The argument provided is that this six ARFF vehicle configuration would provide the ability to handle two simultaneous aircraft incidents. As far as the biggest, it's more about providing the required firefighting foam capacity to mitigate an incident for the type of aircraft currently utilizing LAX. Whether it is on four rigs or six, it's about the capacity of the total response force. There are crew size configuration considerations in the context of this decision, but not going to go there.

At least two 1993 Simon LTIs have been salvaged. One of them a couple years ago that was stripped of everything for parts.

No problem.

That would be welcome news if it was even remotely accurate. No funding has been approved beyond the seven trucks on order right now, so unless Pierce is donating fire apparatus, it's purely speculative as to the quantity of fire apparatus that will be approved in future years. Moreover, given that there are 55 trucks in the LAFD fleet (42 active/13 reserve), 70 trucks in 10 years means the LAFD would retire 17 of these Pierce trucks within that time span, and it also assumes the age of every truck in the fleet would be less than 10 years. There is no question you have good friends at Pierce, there are many fire apparatus currently exceeding the replacement cycle, and that there is much excitement over this contract award, but putting out unchecked info like this will only fuel rumors.

Same location, different day:

That's too bad - that Motorola siren tone has been the signature wail/yelp calling for the LAFD since they switched over to the 800mhz radio system in 1990. Now there's really no way the distinguish LAFD from anyone else at a distance. RA51 along with the new KME engines have the Motorola H1615 siren control head attached to the radio; did Motorola come out with a new siren driver?

It was probably just an oversight before the vehicle was delivered from the LAFD Shops. The Body Shop normally applies the "Paramedic" lettering. The number is what is a solid indication of ALS or BLS. Station number = ALS ambulance 200 series = Second ALS or Ready Reserve ALS 600-700 series = Ready Reserve BLS 800-900 series = BLS ambulance

They were in a 1996 Seagrave until recently, but now back in a 1999 Pierce at last check, shop # 60558.

All 93 ALS Rescues will be covered after full delivery in this latest order, in addition to a number of 800 series.

They have a new Dodge numbered and coming soon.

E295 is assigned a 1999 Pierce Dash. The 2005 Arrow XT was bumped down to E106.

E248 is now in a 2003 Seagrave (at the Shops). I'd have to look that shop number as well.

BC4 is in a 2003 Chevy, EM4 is in a 1995 GMC.

The received a bump down 05 Pierce a year or two ago. I'd have to go look up the shop number. I believe it used to be E75 or E72.

It's about time. ProQA is a cookie cutter system that has just been trying to stay relevant, and their only real selling point seems to be "you'll never get sued." Consistency in PAIs is important, but you need to be able to provide some discretion and not turn dispatchers into robots.

UR88 swapped out with UR5 due to mileage about two years ago, so nothing technically original.

Not looking to start a debate here, but private EMS in a City the size of Los Angeles would be a public health disaster, and the City would permanently give up its exclusive right to transport under Health and Safety Code Section 1797.201 AKA: 201 Rights. Private ambulance companies will never be able to be able to provide the same level of service as the Fire Department.

If I'm not mistaken ALF went under in the 1980's and was brought back in 1995 when Freightliner, LLC revived the brand.

First party would be the patient themselves. Second party would be someone at the patient's side. Third party would be a person not involved in the incident, such as a neighbor asked to call 9-1-1 as you cited, or more commonly, someone driving by in a car who observes a man laying down on the sidewalk. These calls in the current ProQA software come up as in the high risk ALS "Delta" category. The overwhelming majority of these calls turn out to be BLS in nature (or someone just sleeping). I believe only about 15% of these calls actually require ALS intervention.

The mutual aid agreements are quite detailed, as are the internal policies of each agency with respect to "buying-in" to a fire. The mutual aid agreements with LA City and LA County cover far more areas than just West Hollywood and Marina del Rey. Add Kagel Canyon, Topanga Canyon, San Pedro Hospital Area and the 5/14 split area by Sylmar just to name a few... Little known agreement - the LAFD (96's District border) has first-in responsibility over Bell Canyon in Ventura County through a standing cash compensation agreement.

Interesting ideas by all. A few thoughts and considerations: - NFPA guidelines set minimum truck staffing in large cities at a minimum of five, not four - Quints would never make it up many of the city's hillside narrow streets due to the longer cab wheelbase - The 200 series engine provides flexibility for the truck personnel to immediately staff up an additional engine - During a major pre-deployment/staffing augmentation/recall the 200 series engine is fully staffed along with the truck - The 200 series often remains in quarters for an EMS response Budget stuff: - The DWP budget is not a competing budget priority for the LAFD. The DWP, while a municipal utility, is funded like a private utility in that it's revenues are derived from ratepayers dollars, not taxes or the city coffers. EMS stuff: - Most engines and light forces are now ALS assessment companies in LA City. - One + one paramedic staffing requires LA County Department of Heath Services approval and there are other issues that require close examination of such a configuration, not the least of which is that it would require the ALS RA to always respond with an engine. - The LAFD "person down" ALS level response algorithm for third-party callers was recently modified to only dispatch the closest BLS ambulance, OR a single engine if closer. No engine AND paramedic RA are going on the initial response anymore. - The whole argument that LAFD is an EMS agency and that 85% of calls are EMS is factually correct, but really serves the undermine the multi-disciplinary role of an all risk fire and life safety agency. It's always a delicate balancing act to configure the right mix of resources to respond to both primary missions, especially under budgetary pressures and competing priorities, but the leaders of modern fire service are really doing the profession a disservice (in this poster's opinion) by at this point overemphasizing the EMS role. Yes, the private sector EMS vultures are always trying to swoop in and take over, but throwing out stats like 85% EMS only serves to lead the elected decision makers to believe fires are a once and a while occurrence. The truth, as we all well know is that there are working fires in Los Angeles everyday, and the big ones are incredibly resource taxing and justify the need for a well staffed standing army. We also live in earthquake country...

"201 Rights" as they are most commonly referred to.