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New Santee Engine

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I just saw that too.  Nice looking rig.  I can only assume that is gonna get assigned to Station 4 or E4.  The Pierce Arrow E4 had in front line is I believe a 2004 or 2005 rig that the former chief put in reserve to pull the older Pierce (Dash?) out that I believe was a 1994 or so.  The philosophy the chief expressed to me was they wanted to rack up mileage on the older Pierce by keeping that in the front line as E4.  I assume the 2004/5 rig will stay in reserve, or and the older 1994 might go over to Station 5 as a reserve.   Next rig they want to replace is to do another TDA to replace the aging T4.  There has been chatter about adding a pump/tank, but more likely it for sure will have the ladder plumbed.   There are no current plans to budget a new station in Rancho Fanita, which in the Heartland system was slated to be Station 20's (I believe, but could have been Station 25, but then Viejas took that #).  After the T4 gets replaced, next in-line will be Brush-4, and/or Rescue-5.  

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I would imagine it would be placed in service as the new E4.  If this happened about a year ago, I would say the older Dash would be sold. However, in light of the string of fires that popped up in May, I imagine the Dash will be kept as another reserve.  At one point, I believe Heartland had (2) Type 1 Strike Teams out in addition to (1) Type 3 Strike Team outside the Central Zone.  With San Miguel no longer with Heartland (for the time being), it put a strain on staffing and resources in the area.  But that is another topic for later discussion.  A lot of the departments within Heartland have been keeping reserve Engines longer then they have before and are now staffing these rigs when units are out of the Zone.  

 

It appears as though this new Engine is an Arrow XT.  It appears that the only difference between the current Engine 5 (I believe a 2012 ? Arrow XT Engine) and this new Engine, is the "boxes" on top of the cab that I believe are the Air Conditioning units.  

 

I would imagine the next rig to be replaced in Santee would be the Truck.  This is my own opinion, but I think it will be best to spec the Truck to be a TDA with a Tank and Pump, and with a pre-plumbed waterway.  This way, when the Engine is out of the Zone, the Truck would be able to cover it's district with suppression capabilities.  This is something San Diego City did when they spec'd out the 4 new Trucks they received awhile ago.  

 

Speaking of new Brush rigs, be on the look out this summer for (2) HME Type 3 Engines to be delivered to San Miguel.  Should be delivered about late August, early September.  They will be Model 34D Engines.  Alpine is also due for a new Type 1 that was awarded to KME last I heard.  And lastly, Lakeside's remaining (2) Type 1's should be delivered here anytime soon.  

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Great information LKSENG3.  You guys like the new Smeal urban interface pumpers?  I assume you are taking two more in addition to the last one for 3's, new ones going to 1's and 26's?  What's the status on the "patrol" like pick-up you have at 2's?   Does Lakeside ever plan on putting another telesquirt or even a truck into service?   Makes good sense on spec'ing a new Santee T4 with pump/tank and ladder plumbing.  Enough agencies have been doing that on the TDA lately, I think it is a proven rig (especially Pierce).  Encinitas has a beautiful one.   Yes indeed, it will be interesting to see how the San Miguel and Cal Fire marriage works.  Wishing the best for all...

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I was thinking the same thing on the pickup at station 2.  For the info I have hear the marriage has its ups and downs.  The biggest question I have is cal ire  hg and station 22 are like a mile apart how is that working out LoL

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The Smeal Engines seem to be doing pretty well.  One of the new Engines should be going to 1's, and the other may go to 2's.  The one that is currently at 2's will probably go to 26's just like the KME did.  The "Patrol"  I think hasn't been used on an initial dispatch to a fire as of yet.  I think the last time it was used was on the fire on the hill just North of I8 Business and Aurora Dr.  It was there the day after along with OES 305 mopping up.  Logistically, a Truck at 3's would be a great place to have a Truck. If anyone remembers the mobile home fire next to Station 3 a few weeks back, T11 from La Mesa was assigned to the fire.  So it was quite sometime before T11 arrived on scene.  Not saying a "true" Truck Company would be a good idea at 3's, but a 75' Quint doesn't seem like a bad idea.  And you have to remember that if you go further East of Blossom Valley, a Truck Company usually gets canceled on a structure fire before it even gets close to being on scene.  An Engine Company usually picks up the Truck's duties and takes care of Vertical Ventilation. Now with Lakeside having a heavy Wildland Urban Interface, the Smeal Engines are working well and a Truck just doesn't seem practical yet.

 

If you've seen Oceanside's T2177, that Truck is huge.  It too is a PUC TDA.

 

Now with the San Miguel/Cal Fire agreement, I'm not going to comment on it too much, but wait till December comes around and we'll see what happens.  

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Bingo LKSENG3: I have thought the rig that fits the ticket at 3's in a 75 foot quint.  Recently I've see some pretty short wheel base telesquirt deliveries, HME has one with too short a ladder for you (51') but pretty amazing wheelbase.  I recall your first Telesquirt, the Crown, when it was at 1's, then went up to 3's.  I think in those days you guy had the budget/staffing to man the pumper and a rescue without cross-staffing like you do now on E3 <> R3.    I think your "rescue" guys were also cross-staffing the brush rig and tender, when you had B3 and WT3.  Then you guys got your KME Telesquirt, to E3-S, and then it went to 26's.  Did that get retired/sold?   Do Viejas, Sycuan and Barona still own/operate/staff the quints (Sycuan and Barona had I believe 65' Telesquirts, with Barona buying a much more recent nice Ferrara truck/quint?).   If the Barona rig (T27) is still operational, I'd see where that could be of good value to the northern area of Lakeside's district. 

 

Glad the Smeals are working out for you, they are sharp looking rigs...Always love your Lakeside colors.

 

I assume your utility truck at 2's does not have a tank/pump.  It seems on a "patrol" that is a good idea to have the small tank/pump and 4WD to get onto something difficult to access, quicker (and less weight than a typical Type-3 brush rig). 

 

Heartland Fire & Rescue has been progressive since the consortium between El Cajon, La Mesa and Lakeside.  6's took delivery not too long ago of the Pierce PUC as E6.  Then La Mesa took that Quantum pumper as Rescue-Engine 12.  A captain on SDFD R4 (downtown) told me he worked with RE-12 and was very impressed how much rescue gear that rig really has on it, and how they spec'd/laid out the compartments ++++.   And more recently Lemon Grove (E10) should have just taken delivery of an almost identical Pierce PUC rig just like E8 and E6.

 

Don't know on San Miguel and Cal Fire either.  I've heard chatter some are happy, others not so, and some have either retired early or leaving for other departments.  The plus side of Cal Fire is of course you have latitude to go anywhere (almost) in state, if slots are up for filling.  I felt sorry for the East County Fire guys (18's and 19's) because they ran into almost not getting paychecks and San Miguel absorbed them, and then of course Cal Fire saved San Miguel.   Former fire chief for East County was Chief Jobb (if I have spelling correct, could have been 'Job').  He was great at grant writing and that is how all of us scratched our heads saying how did Crest (18's) and Bostonia (19's) get such nice Ferrara pumpers, and 18's got the Ferrara rescue (which is now at 15's).   My own opinion is just that, but I thought San Miguel was always very progressive and the chief that came in (Ghio) from bigger departments, might have been too progressive or brought in too many top-heavy administrators and staffers.  San Miguel did not need a PIO, that I think they paid $65-80k/year to.  The chief or BC's or even a captain can go on-air to give media a rundown.  Those fire board members did not need trips to Hawaii for seminars on how to manage better.  Someone was spending way too much in San Miguel and then 2007/2008 clobbered them when the tax base/streams started to dwindle.  I find the entire San Miguel Fire District a sad legacy of when managers and public servants forget what their true mission really is.  Of course as a kid I recall Spring Valley Fire and all the innovations they made way back. Since this thread began with the new Santee FD delivery, it will be interesting now that the Santee FD chief was ousted, what is in store for Santee which at one time seemed to be so progressive and a model, but over the years almost seems to me to be on that old San Miguel track.  Lakeside to me is right up there with Heartland Fire & Rescue, very progressive and well managed.  Take care.

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Howdy all!

 

Yes Oceanside's Pierce Tiller is a beast.

Did hear OFD is getting another Quantum pumper and another medic unit in the future

Nearby Vista has a new Medic unit too.

Speaking of new engines saw on the EVG site that Rancho Santa Fe has a new Spartan ERV pumper in its new red color scheme.

Most likely new E2611 (I maybe wrong)

Also on the EVG site saw new Escondido's new medic unit In red with black with a gold trim.

(M1391 perhaps?)

EFD like RSF Fire is chanigng their colors. (white/red trim to red)

 

Looked neat.

 

Though EFD dropped the DEPT. On the new engines and ambulance.

(Says ESCONDIDO FIRE)

 

See ya!

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Howdy all!

 

Oh yer welcome R51!

 

Also adding to the new looks of local FDs in SD county.

Carlsbad Fire Dept has changed their lettering from gold to black on all of their units.

They added a new FD emblem over the city seal and instead of Fire Dept on the engines it says ENGINE CO.

(Similar to San Francisco FD's lettering) T2275 will say TRUCK CO.

 

Oceanside Fire no longer has the city seal on their units replacing it with a nice looking FD emblem.

 

Hope this helps.

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